Saturday, June 18, 2011

台灣人對公投議題的泠漠
(was: Response: [A first response to 黃越綏競選辦公室回應: 宣揚公投])

蕭教授説

Why not elect DPP first and then we talk about 公投 after that?
You guys are putting wheel before the horse.
我認為讓全民覺悟到中國國民黨如何剝奪台灣人的公投權極為重要, 並且是很好的選舉議題.

任何人如果了解沒有公投的國家就不算民主, 他就知道票投給中國國民黨就是支持暴政.

蕭教授説

Why not elect DPP first and then we talk about 公投 after that?

我的感覺是: 台灣人不懂公投, 不了解公投的重要性, 所以不重視公投. 
他們選前不談公投, 選後也不會談公投. 

台灣人對公投議題泠漠的一個例証是他們對下面推動公投網站
Chinese KMT strips away Taiwanese' referendum rights 中國國民黨剝奪人民的公投權
endorse the statement 連署的請求反應泠淡.  2010-05-31 到今天超過一年的時間才只有 21 個人連署.
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2011/6/16 Frank S T Hsiao
Guys, I can agree all what you say and recognize that is very  important topic.

The problem is timing. Why Huang has to come out at this crucial time to compete with Tsai and divide the votes? Can Huang and her cohort wait until after the election? There is no way 公投 can be realized before the election. And after the election, if KMT wins, there never has any 公投. If DPP wins, there is a hope for 公投. Why not elect DPP first and then we talk about 公投 after that?
You guys are putting wheel before the horse.

From: natpa_forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:natpa_forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Luby Liao
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Subject: [NATPA Forum] Response: [A first response to
黃越綏競選辦公室回應: 宣揚公投]

謝謝蔡丁貴教授的回應.

根據 Wikipedia 下面這篇文章及我的美國生活經驗, 不必要是複決我希望 2012 年我們從中國國民黨拿回公投權後, 舉辦一個反核公投這反核公投就是一個非複決的新議題.

其實蔡教授和我心中的公投是同一件東西蔡教授和我都主張台灣人的公投權 (謝謝 Sean Huang 的指正)不應被中國國民黨剝奪我們的目標相同應該密切合作.   建議
If there is anything I can do to make this site work for 蔡丁貴教授's referendum movement, please don't hesitate to let me know. 

Referendum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A referendum (also known as a plebiscite or a ballot question) is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is asked to either accept or reject a particular proposal.

全民投票 (也稱為全民公決投票的問題 )是直接投票中,整個選民被要求接受或拒絕某項建議。
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum - 頁庫存檔 - 類似內容

Southern Sudanese independence referendum, 2011 - Wikipedia, the ...

 - [ 翻譯這個網頁 ]A referendum took place in Southern Sudan from 9 January to 15 January 2011 ...

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From: Aquia
Date: 2011/6/16
Subject: RE: [I Love Taiwan] A first response to 黃越綏競選辦公室回應: 宣揚公投
     我們這裡講的住民自決公投不是鳥籠公投法的公投,人民天賦權利的自決公投,是高於憲法層次的公民投票,英文的翻譯是Plebiscite,不是翻譯「複決權」的Referendum
     集結台派力量以打敗中國國民黨是我們參選的目標之一。不論是住民自決的公投或是創制複決的公投都是人民的權利,都被中國國民黨剝奪殆盡。向人民傳播自己之天賦權利的草根社會公民教育工作遠高於選舉一時的勝敗,選舉當然希望可以勝選,      在不公平的殖民體制下的選舉若未能如意,了解這個道理的知識分子必須繼續與人民一起使用非暴力抗爭以捍衛天賦人權。沒有其他的訣竅或捷徑。
    感謝你與大家的努力。

Aquia
獨立總統黃越綏參選總部總幹事

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A first response to 黃越綏競選辦公室回應:
宣揚公投

1. 黃越綏老師參選的目地為了宣揚「住民自決,公投建國」...
中國國民黨剝奪了人民的公投權如果 2012 我們不能打敗中國國民黨, 台灣人將永遠不會有公投權公投自決建國就都是空談

在宣揚公投公面, 我希望我的一個網頁
Chinese KMT strips away Taiwanese' referendum rights 中國國民黨剝奪人民的公投權
夠對你們的努力做出貢獻.  Please let me know how I can help you promote referendum in Taiwan, and wrestle back people's referendum rights back from Chinese KMT.

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